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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 15:09:22 GMT -5
I know the big list is the one you want monkey. It just needs some alterations.
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Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 15:57:17 GMT -5
What alterations. We can always add to things... And, if you don't like something, just let it be.
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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 16:20:08 GMT -5
One alteration is doubles e.g. fire + wind, wind + fire. THis is not necessary. There should only be 1 fusion not two. Furthermore, shadow, glass, mokuton, hyouton and shoton (or diamond) should be removed. Furthermore, we have two versions for manipulating metal, magnetism and metal. This is stupid.
Also I am sure other mods will agree, except you, double fire, water, lighting etc are not an elemental combination that should be allowed because they simply don't make sense. The whole point of a second chakra element is to allow you access to more jutsu. If you have fire + fire you are limiting yourself to purely fire. That does not promote diversity.
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Post by jiro on Jun 10, 2009 16:27:44 GMT -5
A technique, for example Monkey. Mud, is that a new element? No. Am I using it? Yes.
Phasing would be like a Kekkai Genkai, as well as Mokuton, Hyouton, etc. And Shadow is technically a Nara Clan BL.
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Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 16:46:53 GMT -5
Lunaris, thats a lie. Fire and fire make combustion. Am i limiting myself to just fire? no. Last time i checked, fire cant make things instantly combust. Complete mastery of fire can lead to the development of combustion. IF YOU DON'T WANNA COMBUST, THEN DON't PICK FIRE AS YOUR ELEMENT!  (this is what lunaris keeps missing). OPTIONAL! If the member doesnt want double element, then they wont pick it. But isnt it better to have a variety of options than to waste them away because YOU disagree witht them. A Wild man once told me that arrange things to benefit this whole site, not just one person. Again, it is to promote diversity. If one majors in wind, then gains fire, or vice versa, the results WILL BE different. Actually, Dokton, poison style should not exist. Howver, just because some one has the same elements as another doesnt automatically mean they will major in the same thing. Are all metals magnetic? No. Can other things be magnetized? Yes. Can a smart person find a way to use this element for things beside metal? Of course! ((Wha? Mud is one element. Jiro, shadow is not a BL. When you don't know the difference between kinjutsu and doujutsu, its hard to place names on jutsu. Get the facts, bro)) |
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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 16:54:34 GMT -5
You can re-add in the double elements if you want, but I think this looks like a good list. Combustion in my opinion should be fire + wind, but because someone has flight already I have left in flight.
Flight, Hiton (Fire + Wind): This element is the mastery of the creation and control of hot air a.k.a. Thermals… by controlling winds and air temperature with chakra users of this element can use this ability to make flat buoyant objects fly, it allows for fatiguing and dehydrating wind attacks, and also this ability allows for the bending of light into genjutsu mirages… weak against fire then water attacks, strong against lightning then wind attacks… Strongest against Storm, Weakest against Steam
Plasma, Purton (Fire + Lightning): the “Element of the Sun” as it is refered to… it is a potent mix of Fire then Lightning chakra that allows one to create a substance that has the brightness and burning power of the Sun… burns from this substance are extremely painful and are not wholly healable for people who are lucky, or unlucky enough to survive an assault by users of this formidable element… It is rumored that this element is the end result of the Uchiha Bloodline’s abilities in chakra formation but that rumor is to date unconfirmed… weak against water then wind type charkas, but strong against wind then earth chakras… Strongest against Phasing, Weakest against Storm
Magma, Maton (Fire + Earth): this chakra affinity allows the user to summon from the ground molten earth and control over the substances movements… this deadly fusion of Fire then Earth can create a landscape of ash and fire, but will fee water based charkra attacks if they get careless… weak against water then lightning attacks, strong against wind then water attacks… Strongest against Shadow, Weakest against Acid…
Steam, Joton (Fire + Water): This mixture of the forces of Fire then Water in chakra give the user ability to create clouds of vapor that are actually boiling hot… they can control geothermal upwelling and also manipulate the steam into forms allowing for potent and painful illusions… weak against water then earth attacks, strong against wind then fire attacks… Strongest against Flight, Weakest against Phasing
Light, Toton (Wind + Lightning): This balancing of wind then lighting energies, allows for users to alter the hues of the colors around them, create beams of light, and also electrocute enemies… the principle is by controlling wind and mastering the separation of different chemical elements of the air such as Neon for example, and then exciting that substance with electricity, one can manipulate, and create light energy… weak against fire then lightning charkas, strong against lightning then earth charkas… Strongest against Magnetism, Weakest against Combustion
Phasing, Souton (Wind + Earth): This technique allows by controlling the molecules of substances for the free passing of persons or objects through other matter… by using both wind then earth chakra together one can control all of the particles of matter that make up their surroundings, and allows for interesting variations that include the Kaguya Clans ability to make the bones of their body grow and change their attributes, and another variation in the sound brothers Ukon and Sakon who can rematerialize themselves in one or two bodies at will… weak against fire then lightning, strong against lightning then water… Weakest against Plasma, Strongest against Storm…
Storm, Araton (Wind + Water): the abilities granted by mixing water and wind energies gives the user the capability to manipulate the weather to create devastating combinations. weak against wind then earth chakras, strong against earth then fire chakras… Strongest against Phasing, Weakest against Magma
Magnetism (Earth + Lightning): When lightning hits the ground it ionises it temporarily to create a magnetic charge. Skilled ninja who combine earth and lightning chakra can sustain this magnetic charge to create large magnetic fields in order to manipulate metals. They can also use the lightning to stimulate the ions of non-magnetic metals in order to make them magnetic. Strongest against Storm, Weakest against Light
Liquids (Water + Lightning): Fusing lightning with water energy together forms a chakra that can control any liquid, fire users beware this power allows for the control of not only the water that can extinguish flames but also the fluids that fuel fire as well allowing for control of virtually any liquid known to exist, only level 2 fusions of chakra that contain earth chakra can combat this element with any efficiency. Weakest against Phasing, Strongest against Magma
(Earth + Water): When earth and water are combined the user gains the ability to .......tbh I can't think of anything
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Post by jiro on Jun 10, 2009 16:55:26 GMT -5
So what would you call the Nara clans jutsu? And I just said that mud is one element.
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Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 16:56:55 GMT -5
How does lightning change water into another substance?
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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 16:58:22 GMT -5
The nara clan jutsu is a jutsu created by the manipulation of yin and yang chakra. Genjutsu, multi-size, medical and genjutsu are supposed to be part of this. Just because Nara clan were the only ones to use it does not make it a bloodline. It merely makes it a secret that they have not let out.
Doujutsu and duel elements in the anime/manga are bloodline.
@monkey: the user uses the electrical energy to manipulate the molecular structure of the liquid in order to create other liquids.
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Post by jiro on Jun 10, 2009 17:02:31 GMT -5
So you're saying I could zap water to turn into acid, oil, etc?
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Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 17:05:56 GMT -5
LIES!  Show me the proof that Yuuton and Shoton are Kekkei Genkai. Here's my breakdown of liquids: Liquids (Water and Water): A excelling Suiton user knows the molecular arrangement of water. Their molecules are loosely arranged, yet closer together than gas. Complete masters of this can learn to control other substances with the same molecular arrangement. This makes the possibilities endless. For oils, liquid nitrogens, and even pee are up for manipulation. |
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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 17:06:19 GMT -5
Basiccaly you use the electric charge to remove or add protons, neutrons and electrons to alter the water's structure in order to make it into another liquid because the only difference between water and let's say oil is that oil has slightly more oxygen and also some carbon in it. No water is pure H20 and so there would be some extra things in there such as carbon, nitrogen etc. Shoton is a kekkai genkai on this site: www.warof8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=kekkeigenkai&action=display&thread=2050&page=1Yuuton? What the heck is Yuuton? Its not on either of the lists. |
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Post by jiro on Jun 10, 2009 17:08:16 GMT -5
LIES! Show me the proof that Yuuton and Shoton are Kekkei Genkai. Actually Tiger took Shoton as a Kekkai Genkai, Hayashi Clan. |
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Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 17:11:42 GMT -5
thts on GSW. And Yuuton?
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Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 17:13:58 GMT -5
Thats the reason why I said we cant have it monkey. Not because it is kekkai in anime/manga, but because it is kekkai on here. Also I have no idea what yuuton is
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(this is what lunaris keeps missing). OPTIONAL! If the member doesnt want double element, then they wont pick it. But isnt it better to have a variety of options than to waste them away because YOU disagree witht them. A Wild man once told me that arrange things to benefit this whole site, not just one person. 
Show me the proof that Yuuton and Shoton are Kekkei Genkai.