|
Post by monkeynin on Jun 9, 2009 16:35:10 GMT -5
Shadow is understandable, but I can prove you wrong about Flight and Phasing. If you look at 2/3 of my character's jutsu, they have manipulated Flight and Phasing to aid them in combat and to improve on being a shinobi.
|
|
|
Post by Maelstrom of The Llamas on Jun 9, 2009 16:41:39 GMT -5
I agree, but doesn't Shadow belong to the currently unused Nara Clan anyways?
And WHY are flight and phasing elements?! Those aren't elements... (Monkey, are you still on Sentou High?)
|
|
|
Post by Lunaris on Jun 9, 2009 16:43:06 GMT -5
Ok we could re add flight and phasing in I suppose. But still.......I think my list is pretty good.
Also think about it anime/manga wise. We have seen three possibly four or five elemental combinations.
Magma Ice Wood
Possibly Sand and Iron Sand (metal)
These are elemental properties. Flight or phasing aren't really elemental. Also for phasing I don't really see how earth and water gets you that. I can understand flight, but not phasing. Also magnetic should be earth and lightning.
|
|
|
Post by seltor on Jun 9, 2009 16:44:59 GMT -5
The reasons Lunaris pointed before were the reasons why the list was changed in the first place
|
|
|
Post by Lunaris on Jun 9, 2009 17:01:11 GMT -5
I believe a changing of the list is required, but I do not believe elemental fusion should be purely kekkai genkai
Mokuton, Hyouton, Sand, Gravity (not sure if this is kekkai), Shoton should not be elemental fusions on this sight because they are kekkai. I believe glass and shadow should also be removed because glass ninja don't need fire and earth to make glass and shadow in the manga isn't elemental. Naruto wiki states:
Aside from the five basic types of nature transformation, there is also a sixth type: the transformation of the Yin (êŽ, In) and Yang (ê–, Y¨) nature of chakra. Not much is known about this so far, but Yamato implies that it is the source of certain non-elemental jutsu such as Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, and genjutsu. It is unknown whether this type of nature transformation is similar to the elemental nature manipulations or whether it is a completely different kind of nature transformation.
|
|
|
Post by monkeynin on Jun 9, 2009 17:13:30 GMT -5
So, taking all our element choices away will make our site better? No. Elemental choice allows diversity among shinobi. Its not like having variety hurts anyone.
So, if the maker of naruto never brought in elemental combos, we would never bring them in? Once we saw Mokuton, we added it. Same with magma, crystal, Ice, and Gravity. You are saying that they are not legit because you have not seen it used in the anime/manga. Then, when Madara/Tobi reveals his ability to phase, we will add phasing. How about we take a step further on GSW and stop being a bunch of followers.
|
|
|
Post by Lunaris on Jun 9, 2009 17:26:48 GMT -5
Phasing I think would be Yin/Yang.
I am happy with magma, wood, ice, crystal, gravity and sand, but they are already kekkai genkai. Whats the point of having the kekkai there if others can use it? Also double elements don't make sense.
I am happy with keeping phasing and flight as elemental fusion though neither is really elemental and phasing doesn't make sense. I still think we should consider phasing a high level ability, but not elemental, but I will accept it as an elemental fusion.
Shadow, crystal, mokuton, hyouton, gravity, sand should not be because they are kekkai. Double elements such as fire + fire should be removed. Any doubles such as wind + fire and fire + wind should be altered so there is only one. The elemental combinations must make sense and seem to give a large advantage such as metal, magma or plasma.
|
|
|
Post by monkeynin on Jun 9, 2009 17:36:20 GMT -5
Ying/Yang is good/evil. Light/Dark. Purity/Corruption. Phasing is the manipulation of molecules. How in the world are they the same?
Why are you unhappy with the others? Why can't you get over it? If you dont like it, ignore it.
Phasing is the manipulation of Molecules. Wind is strong enough to separate things. Earth Manipulation separates things too. How do they not make sense?
They are kekkei genkai because we made it kekkei genkai. Show me one example in the Naruto series how Shadow or Gravity is kekkei genkai.
What if someone is dominant in wind, then fire? Vice Versa. The resulting combo will be different than others. DO NOT mistake kekkei genkai with secret arts.
|
|
|
Post by jiro on Jun 9, 2009 17:38:16 GMT -5
Phasing is more like a technique, like Combustion and Sound.
|
|
|
Post by Lunaris on Jun 9, 2009 17:41:49 GMT -5
Exactly my point.
Sounds for example can be apmplified into an attack by objects....plus if the sound ninja are skilled enough to use two elements why are they beaten by genin?
|
|
|
Post by Ryuujin no Yagami on Jun 9, 2009 21:19:13 GMT -5
Why in the world are you so insistent with this? I think the current one is just fine, and so do other people.
|
|
|
Post by seltor on Jun 10, 2009 7:21:21 GMT -5
The current list is not the list Monkey is defending
|
|
|
Post by Ryuujin no Yagami on Jun 10, 2009 7:55:19 GMT -5
Wait... just which list is the official one anyway?
|
|
|
Post by Lunaris on Jun 10, 2009 11:37:26 GMT -5
The first link monkey posted is the official one. The second link is the one he wants back. I think the second one needs to be brought back, but it needs altering first.
|
|
|
Post by monkeynin on Jun 10, 2009 13:46:04 GMT -5
No ryuu, we are on the same page. The colorful one with the multiple combos are indeed the ones I want.
Jiro, that makes little sense. Anything on this site registered in jutsu/Kg registrations....is a technique. The list is just a logical explanation of how to get there.
|
|